-Closed- Can we stop being childish now?

Your Name: Jedi Master Josiah Bartlet
Order/Clan/Community Name: Dark Angels Jedi Order
The Diplomatic Request: Resolve this ish?

You guys love DAJ. We love DAJ. Everyone loves DAJ. Can't we just sit down at the table and resolve all our ish? I have been brought in as an outside mediator, because I've been doing RP for 15+ years and RP in JA for 9. I founded one of the first ever fully dedicated RP clans in this game called Jedi of the Old Republic [JOTOR] and I've been a community leader throughout JK.

I have seen this kind of stupid petty BS before, and I'd like it to stop. We all have ties to the name DAJ, we all have great ideas that we would like to move forward. Please stop banning people simply because they want to see something beautiful happen. Can't you see that we only want what's best for everyone?

And for the people blindly following the council (I say blindly because council does things without presenting reason or proof) to see just what they're walking into.

That's enough Aramis...my post goes for you as well.

Alright... We'll try a peaceful solution

(NOTE THAT IM NOT A DIPLOMATIC WING MEMBER, JUST A VERY LOYAL AND PISSED OFF INDIVIDUAL!)
You sir befor coming over here and post about being childish need to get your members under control. You have not seen us once be hostile to those at old daj unless they come here and try so start crap first. People like xayton trolling, the comments and attacks in the shoutbox and now, aramis spamming the forums. Really. Who are the ones being childish, stupid, BSing and causeing problems. Im fairly sure you can see who that is.  You have only been in leadership of old daj for like what a few days? You have no right to come on here and start saying shit needs to stop befor you even take a look about the crap your own people have been doing. I for one am sick and tired of seeing all the all this crap over and over again and it really needs to stop. But clearly its not going to if the people mentioned above keep doing the crap their doing. No we here are not perfect, but you know what, we constently work to improve ourselves and our clan as a hole. The same clearly can't be said for old daj. I hope that one day they can. And that, is alll i have to say on the matter.

Wooooah! Calm down buddy!

I can't vouch for whatever trolling Xay has done.

However, I can say that Vab was very upset because of being banned without any proof. I've seen the chat looks he had with Ren and they make no sense why he was banned. He asked someone if they would like to come and RP on our server. He told Aramis about it and Aramis came here to challenge that decision and was banned for it.

Now, as you can see, I asked Aramis to stop as well. He has. I don't see my guys doing anything right now. So I think you need to just calm down and think rationally and let someone who is actually a diplomat handle this.

Hey Nuhallis. Instead of removing me on xfire, and running to your forums where you think you're backed up (you're not by the way, members have also talked to me about you), be a man (not a child, like you're calling us) and talk to me directly. Own up to your opinion. take into consideration I'm spamming to make sure my message was seen. Which it was. If I didn't spread it out, it takes one click to take it down, as you saw by your Council Member banning me in not even 20 mins.

Also, on a side note, Vaboda was warned about alluding to a merger, as you can see in Sirius' comments. So I'd be careful if I were you, or you'll get banned like me and Vaboda for talking about something council doesn't like. But, you defend what you want, no matter if it makes sense or not.

I have nothing against vaboda. I dont. I like him, i really do. But you know what. He asked me to come and RP with him over there and i said several times, I made it clear. I DONT WANT TO. I'm happy here, I dont need to go to old daj. I dont need to rp there, I dont want to. But he pesters and pesters. And it wasnt the first time he had tryed to get me to come on with you guyes eather. I made it clear then to that i didnt want anything to do with old daj, because i moved on. On top of that. We have a strickt NO MULTICLANNING rule. Which some people fail to grasp. Unlike most rules with old daj, rules here are inforced. For the near year I was in old daj the only time somthing was inforced was when it was convenient. The ban was only for a week, so even then I dont see why its blown out of proportion.

But Vaboda never asked you to join. Just to roleplay. So your whole rant, Sirius' whole punishment, is garbage. Unless you have logs that prove otherwise...?

Well I don't know about multiclanning. And I don't know about old DAJ. We are not old DAJ. We are trying to eliminate all the flaws of the past, we're completely rebooted. We may even change the name, but a few older members wanted to keep it on principle because this DAJ effectively took the name to swipe members from them.

I honestly don't care who is in the right or who is in the wrong or what happened in the past. I just want to create a strong community where people can RP without worrying about being banned for asking someone if they want to RP on another server or for voicing an opinion about the way a situation is handled by an admin.

I would like to find a way to coexist with this clan as well. However, if that isn't possible, then so be it...

Im fairly sure you have seen logs of the chat. How many times did i say, i didnt care, i didnt want to , i wanted nothing to do with old daj. And you know what, im fairly sure im not the only one that has been pestered about comming over there.

On a second note: bart, ive never met you, but you really need to dig a little bit, and see what the crap your people are doing, befor you even try to think about coexist. Because several people have made it clear, that thats not going to happen.  I tried my damned hardest to try and get people to come together when the split first happened and you know what? Nothing. The same people who caused issues then are still causing them now.

I came in because one of YOUR members was done wrong for associating with us. I haven't done anything up to now. So, your point is invalid. I'm still waiting on one to ring true.

here is a prime example.

Quote :

[22:45] Nuhallis (nuhallis): The reason he was banned was for multiclanning, clearly you guys dont accept that. You guys may not have a multiclanning rule, But we do, It does not matter who it is. If it was me, aun, anar, jack or hell even vrook. they would of met the same fate as vaboda did. Plain and simple.
[22:45] Taziel (razor1214): Seeing as everyone I've recruited is non GF / }W{ members
[22:45] Marlak (maddbog): WOAH
[22:45] Marlak (maddbog): Hold up
[22:45] Taziel (razor1214): Yet he wasnt multiclaning
[22:46] Taziel (razor1214): Multiclanning means hes joined a clan
[22:46] Marlak (maddbog): H to the O and the rest until you get to 'Hold Up'
[22:46] Taziel (razor1214): by definition
[22:46] Marlak (maddbog): Vrook? He wouldn't get that treatment.
[22:46] Vaboda (zeroandown): Nor would Jack.
[22:46] Taziel (razor1214): Vrook made 3 splits in DAJ alone and never lost master or Council
[22:46] Marlak (maddbog): Ehh , Jack would.
[22:46] Taziel (razor1214): So no Vrook wouldnt
[22:46] Marlak (maddbog): He is rather young and not once he was manipulated so meh.
[22:46] Taziel (razor1214): Jack's retarded he would
[22:46] Nuhallis (nuhallis): And he did did he not? He applyed, and is a master. And if he is not, then maybe you should tell xayton not to say shiz that clearly states it.
[22:47] notyaX (xayton): You also assumed Iw as trolling
[22:47] notyaX (xayton): and didnt believe me
[22:47] Taziel (razor1214): Xay wtf you say
[22:47] Taziel (razor1214): Why you gonna get Vab banned for your trolling
[22:47] Viekis Vele (kaishomaru): hey buh
[22:47] Viekis Vele (kaishomaru): nuh*
[22:47] Viekis Vele (kaishomaru): got logs?
[22:47] Marlak (maddbog): Buh
[22:47] Marlak (maddbog): lol
[22:48] Nuhallis (nuhallis): [23:55] notyaX: Why does it matter who Glid is
[23:56] Nuhallis: im just wondering
[23:56] Nuhallis: who would be important enough
[23:56] Nuhallis: to insta accept as a master
[23:56] Nuhallis: thats all
[23:56] Nuhallis: xD
[23:56] notyaX: Lemme put it this way
[23:57] notyaX: You know who it is.
[23:57] Nuhallis: well clearly
[23:57] Nuhallis: but who
[23:57] Nuhallis: do i know them ass
[23:57] Nuhallis: as*
[23:57] notyaX: You've already spoken to him today.
[23:58] Nuhallis: vaboda?
[23:58] Nuhallis: thats the only person who i can even think of...
[23:58] notyaX: Would you believe me if I said yes or would you think I'm trolling.
[23:58] Nuhallis: probably trollingggggggg
[23:58] Nuhallis: maybe
[23:58] Nuhallis: hard to say
[23:58] Nuhallis: by that response
[23:58] Nuhallis: probably trolling
[23:58] Nuhallis: because im looking back
[23:59] Nuhallis: on who ive talked today
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[22:48] Vaboda (zeroandown): Yeah going to go ahead and say.
[22:48] Vaboda (zeroandown): this proves nothing.
[22:48] Taziel (razor1214): I dont see a yes in that log
[22:48] Viekis Vele (kaishomaru): I dont see any proof
[22:48] Nuhallis (nuhallis): [23:59] Nuhallis: well
[23:59] Nuhallis: maybe telling the trooth
[23:59] Nuhallis: Ive talked to roughly 4 people
[23:59] Nuhallis: today
[23:59] Nuhallis: and vab is the only one.
[23:59] notyaX: now ive got your head spinning
[23:59] Nuhallis: who has show interest in your daj.
[23:59] Nuhallis: xD
[23:59] Nuhallis: Why you do dis xay xay
[00:00] Nuhallis: im halfway tempted to remove you cuz i cba with this stuff
[00:00] Nuhallis: its already midnight
[00:00] notyaX: Haha
[00:00] notyaX: Yes it is Vab.
[00:00] notyaX: 01:58] Vaboda: he will think you are trolling.
[01:58] Vaboda: bet you 10 bucks.
[00:00] notyaX: I just got $10
[00:01] Nuhallis: right
[22:48] Viekis Vele (kaishomaru): just assumptions
[22:48] Nuhallis (nuhallis): copy got cut off
[22:48] Marlak (maddbog): OI
[22:48] Marlak (maddbog): Shuddap
[22:48] Marlak (maddbog): I'm rreading up
[22:48] Taziel (razor1214): Xay you're a dick
[22:49] Marlak (maddbog): Geez
[22:49] notyaX (xayton): And somehow you still assumed I was trolling
[22:49] Taziel (razor1214): Congrats on the troll

Vigil wrote:

Im fairly sure you have seen logs of the chat. How many times did i say, i didnt care, i didnt want to , i wanted nothing to do with old daj. And you know what, im fairly sure im not the only one that has been pestered about comming over there.

On a second note: bart, ive never met you, but you really need to dig a little bit, and see what the crap your people are doing, befor you even try to think about coexist. Because several people have made it clear, that thats not going to happen.  I tried my damned hardest to try and get people to come together when the split first happened and you know what? Nothing. The same people who caused issues then are still causing them now.

Yes and from everything I have seen for the last 2 years, it's the Council of this DAJ that is the biggest problem. However, again, I did not come here to point fingers. I came here to resolve this ish. And as I asked from the start, can I get someone who is actually an admin or diplomat to continue this conversation? I'm finished with you Vigil, you have no authority to negotiate anything.

Oke well this was all very interesting to read.

The reason we are done with talking about a ''merge'' have been made clear multiple times.

The reason some people get banned is very clear too, but of course when someone gets banned, the person who gets banned finds it unfair.

However the moment someone comes on and starts to unleash an arguement or RP/OOC conflict and does this more than twice in a period than yes the person had enough warnings and gets a ban.
Again this is of course unfair by the person who got banned.

And we can coexist, i just want to ask you to stop coming here and leave us be.
We roleplay here together and we have fun here, and you can do the same on your own server with everyone who wishes to rolepaly there.

Now please stop asking about ''proof'' about certain bans or whatever else.
We dont just ''ban'' on sight and if this does happen the person has the right to do so, and guess what, only the council is allowed to ban.

And eventually the person who got banned or persons just use a VPN to get back in and ''troll'' again because they just enjoy it.
This is another reason why we are tired of this whole idea of a ''merge'' and wish to close this topic.

I made a clear announcement about our decision on this topic so accept it and leave it alone.

And if you come here with an attitude like ''Your council is stupid'' without even knowning me or my history for what i did for DAJ in the last couple of years than thats alright, its always easy to judge people you do not know.

I dont care what your fellow members think about me or say about me because the only thing i hear are threats and insults.

Thats something we have to take serious and have a word with?
We are the ones that are stupid and ignorant?
Immature?

I like to lock this topic but i want you to reply to this message without ranting on and on about ''proof'' of something or the fact that our members or the council is stupid and ignorant.

And we answered the topic about a ''merge'' and coexistance'' so please, what else do you wish to have answered?
And keep in mind im not in the mood for any more rants, insults or w.e towards people, please show some respect and mature behaviour.

Thank you,

Kain YukiShiro

You misunderstand Kain. I don't want to "merge" with your DAJ. I simply said co-exist. There is a huge difference.

I am also far more aware of who you are, what you've done, who others are, and what they have done and so forth than you are aware. I have been lurking around DAJ for the last 4 years. I NEVER simply take others' word at face value. I've attempted to join both DAJ and GF on multiple occasions only to be put off by various higher-ups every time because they were quite inhospitable. I've also read virtually every event that's transpired, and had hundreds of chat logs between various members and admin shown to me over the years. Consider me in the loop.

If you'd like to talk, my office is always open. However, I am not much for superiority complexes. I am 34 years old and been doing this a very long time and am very well connected throughout JK. I simply showed up to your forums because I saw Aramis was getting out of hand. If you aren't interested in my olive branch, however, don't expect me to be so nice the next time you defame my friends...

If you'd like, I'll be on XFire: chameleonx419

Bartlet wrote:

If you'd like to talk, my office is always open. However, I am not much for superiority complexes. I am 34 years old and been doing this a very long time and am very well connected throughout JK. I simply showed up to your forums because I saw Aramis was getting out of hand. If you aren't interested in my olive branch, however, don't expect me to be so nice the next time you defame my friends...

Of course, you know all about me.

If you ''tried'' to join DAJ and GF and didnt succeed(even though im not sure if you did or didnt succeed) but anyways thats not even close to the subject.

Like i said: You are free to ''coexist'' with us, just leave us be?

And the fact you are already making a statement towards me with the fact ''you will not be so nice next time'' is just immature for a 34 year old man to do.

I dont defame people, i have a clear opinion on things and people should respect others their opinion.
Anyways, im locking this topic because this is clearly just going towards another pointless arguement.

The best to you, and please inform your friends to stop spamming on our forum and making several new accounts everytime.