Relation between DAJs

(I am not sure just how optimal this section of the forum is, but it seems the most fitting, so I posted this here)

It's no secret that I am not in favour of either council/clan between the Dark Angel Jedi Orders.

However, I believe that we eventually will find a way to reunite. We're jedi after all, peace is the eventual goal of all struggle. Now, for some time I was rather conflicted about what clan to go with, both of which holding a share of my friends (or beloved enemies). But then I came to a simple conclussion, upon a clarification from our council (Dax in particular).

Everyone here is free to create a persistent pc (player character, as opposed to npc) and join our daily and extraordinary RP at any time, without any grudges held (offically, it will take a few hours of befriending and stuff).

Now I would like to know if the same goes for this DAJ, and I am free to create an hopeful for the order, as if I was a member?

And if I am not, I would like to request being able to. While leadership ideals differ in the councils and there are certainly grudges held, I believe it would be... well.... nice to still keep the community together regardless, allowing everyone to RP with everyone else they knew from DAJ or will get to know.

Basically, the community would marginally merge, keeping the people together while the leaderships might disagree on quite a few things (like who should be the leadership). I know I would appreciate being able to RP with everyone I know, as something more interesting than a barkeeper or droid.

So, before I continue with my argumentation, for something that might not even be an issue: are members of my DAJ allowed to create persistent jedi characters here? (That are part of your order, I mean, not just visitors)

[Too long, didn't read: Multiclanning between DAJs would be nice]

...Honestly...I'm a bit neutral on this. I'll give my reasoning for why I'm for it. My reasoning for why I'm against it is kind of obvious, but if not, then it's because I don't really approve of the way it was run before I left it, with Knights being too lazy to give classes and etc...

Reasons that I'd approve of this: It would hopefully stop the trolling that's going on between us. I don't know who did "Porno Daxxy", but I have a feeling Jack wasn't behind it. Honestly, in my opinion, it may have been one of your own trolls trying to drive a wedge between the two factions for all we know. Another reason, I still like a select few of you guys. ...Very select few, but still.

Council has received a request from a member before about a ''alliance'' between the two DAJ's and discussed this matter for some time.

We didnt do it cause of what happened during the whole ''split/merge'' and w.e bullshit we received.

Now to tell you why we wont do this multiclanning alliance is rather simple.

* We are not a community but a clan.

* We are not fond of ppl rping OP force sensitive character to fit in the rp or w.e they feel doing.

* One big part of why most left and GF helped to create the new DAJ is still in old DAJ.

My personal opinion on this and how i see all this is just you people looking for ''activity'' and a reason to keep your rank and eventually join the new order with your current rank.
Now i can understand you guys looking for a place of activity so you can rp with your old friends and w.e and you are free to do so, i mean Asi and who ever else visited us for some rp and im cool with that.

Im just not cool with the whole attitude and bitching towards us.

* We were powerhungry and wanted council positions so we created this?

* We are childish?

* We dont allow anyone to put any input in the clan?

Seriously?
All i want to do is RP and have fun with my friends which i think we are doing just fun as it is now.

And im sure everyone is like ''Yeah ofcourse they dont want this'', and yes you are right.
I personally am tired of the constant bitching at provoking towards us and blaming Jack for all this bullshit.
And dont think if i do find out it was him i wouldnt punish him because i will.

Everyone here knows Jack was demoted back to padawan in the new DAJ by me and he worked his ass back up the ranks like everyone else. So why would he suddenly go troll Dax for no clear reason at all?

Anyways i said what i wanted about this.

* RP with us if you want.

* We have a multiclanning policy.

* And please stop all the drama.

Thanks.

Well, The council discussed this and from my point of view what follows is this:

We do not regard your origin, meaning whether you're from this DAJ or the Old one, these rules apply to you, so basically according to what Vrook suggested you could be a Jedi from another order which is fine, but to my understanding you guys no longer exist in this timeline, hence forth you cannot be Alessa or anything similar.

Again personally, multiclanning as subjected in our rules are NOT allowed, all our members know this, On forth I would like to mention that we have never shown hostility towards you (Council Members and Clan members alike) if a hostility was shown it was in the form of retaliation, but none the less we are no children here to point fingers are each other.

So, you could freely visit us, take part in role play as a jedi (ALTHOUGH YOUR POWERS WOULD BE MINIMAL YOU CAN'T TEACH OTHERS, Approved level would be initiate.)

I Go with Elena on that one that I'm sure it wasn't jack, and it might have been some third party trying to cause trouble between the two clans.

Lastly, if you truly wanna Role play with old friends you could join, RP as a guest like i mentioned, BUT one condition it is truly for the RP not to disrupt or harm the others and this clan.

Best of wishes Master Drakyl YukiShiro,
Archivest and Council Member

Could we please not turn this into a topic about discussing whose fault what was? That's really not going to get us anywhere, ever.

I'm not saying that you should let everyone keep their ranks in every RP, but just to let them be part of the community. I actually planned to create a new character, who would be an initiate. My suggestion for the most basic rule in this would be the following:

* Roles of power and influence must be slowly earned (again) with the local council's approval, if the person is not part of the clan. Basically, the same rules apply as if the person had just joined the clan, with a blank slade, because they basically have.

Or did you mean, that that's totally fine with "RP with us, if you want". Because in the spirit of not having people with too much experience, I would keep Alssea on Sharb (she doesn't have an IC reason to find you guys anyway, but a found new member might).

And I can promise you, that I will continue my strive to end the enimity between the DAJ halves.

Who knows? Maybe some unlikely people will even use this opportunity to create a new character with you guys and some hostility will be buried at last? Because this current setting, in which trolling and accusation is the only interaction between the DAJs is not healthy, if you ask me.

Side note: the power restriction does not apply on our DAJ, we won't force you to give up your characters, because there no longer is a master/padawan structure, unless there actually is someone wanting to be a padawan.


About the last points:
Now, if I am correct, the multiclanning policy is "no multiclanning", wasn't it? That's why I'm here in the first place.

And I am not going to "stop the drama", because I won't the way I think you want it, by not bringing anything up between the clans. I believe that doing nothing is only going to increase the drama. If we want somethin to improve, we have to act and intervene.

-Edit, after Drakyl's post-

So, does that mean that my suggestion is basically already in action? Or is rising in rank impossible completely? Because at some point, I might want to accompany my friends on their missions.

Your post is being discussed, not active, the council is yet to fully vote on it or discuss its implications, for the time being I see no fault in you Role playing a Jedi From the bonthan order who got injured from the inquisitors so he is hiding with us.


The point behind you being an initiate leveled force character doesn't mean you are an initiate of this clan, just your force powers are about all one, except dark side are zero and saber defense is two.

I applaud you attempt in trying to join the clans in a single mission, but both clans have their reservations at each, and it's not as more as in "Who is in power" it is more "Who is in the clan", that basically sums up the problem. Anyways This is my own opinion, not the council's official.

I can understand how the leaderships that split have their reservations, but what about players like me? I don't see anything wrong with either clan, so why should I suddenly have to decide what part the of community I want to join and which not?

Time certainly isn't an issue for me, I would just cut that from some of my other games, not to mention that most of "my" DAJ's activity happens during US times now, when activity in this one is dying down for the day, anyway and the other way around.

Basically, I don't see any reason for not being in both clans, when you don't have issues with either and the leaderships don't seem to have an issue with you.

I left old DAJ a long time ago for a reason, so yes i did have issues with the leadership of the clan.
Now i dont make an assault towards you, i just dont want anything to do with those people and i cant be arsed to have a discussion with the whole council for an alliance with a clan thats pretty much inactive for us and doesnt do anything to solve its own problems.

Aside from that you should read my post better.

We are not a community.

Drak informed you about our rules and told you what you can and cannot do.
If you want to be part of the clan, fine just know we have a multiclanning policy.
Everyone else that left sofar accepted this and was fine with it, i dont see why others have a problem?

Well, the problem is simple: I know people of both clans and want to RP with both within their system, because that is the most interesting way, and I see no reason why I shouldn't be able to.

I would just prefer to be within the system, rather than a disturbance of sort, which seems to bother quite a few people.

So, why should I not be able to participate in both clans? It would improve RP for you and me and I see no drawbacks.

-EDIT-

And I understand the "We're a clan, not a community"-argument, but I find it rather unapplying. After all, it's not like being in another JA clan is any worse than doing anything else in your freetime that is not being in your clan.

You can keep going on about this but we are not going for an alliance or anything.

And there is no problem since you can RP on our server and with everyone you want, nothing is holding you back from that.

We just dont see the point in creating some sort of alliance between us and old DAJ just cause you can keep your rank and title and force powers and so you can keep RPing with us.

Old DAJ changed time lines, not us and everyone here decided to leave and create a new char or joined intime to keep their own and help out in any way possible to build the clan to what it is now.

And with that i said enough about everything and gave you enough reasons of my own and overall for not going on about this.
We already discussed it before and our answer still stands.

Well, letting people interchange is not the only reason for an alliance. The world of JA is getting progressively smaller and I just want to keep the remnants from dividing even further. But if you're fundamentally opposed to the idea, we can let that rest for now.

But with that said, does this mean that I could at any time write an application for a permanent character within the order or am I still bound to playing a barkeeper/droid or Alssea? Because currently it looks that way.

Now, you might be wondering why I care, if I can still RP with everyone else as one of those, well:
- Alssea has no logical reason for leaving Sharb, where she is now (and now, not 20 years in your future, I'm not an idiot, I know how alternate realities work)
- A barkeeper and especially droid is simply not a very engaging role, not to mention very limited in the activities they can partake in
- It's just more fun to be part of the system, that everyone else is and you otherwise feel kind of like a foreign entity (like Savena) who some people would rather just outright get rid of

Locking the topic.
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